72 – I decided that the first thing to do was to appoint a group of eight cardinals to be my advisors. This is the beginning of a Church whose organization is not only vertical but also horizontal

When taking a look at Ecclesiastical writings of diverse eras, our attention is called by the frequent affirmations of Pontiffs, Bishops and holy men lamenting the adversities that the Church was passing through in their days. The storms that the attacks of external and internal enemies raised against the ship of Saint Peter were constant during the two millenniums of the Church’s victorious navigation. This undeterred advance throughout all epochs may only be explained if we take into consideration that the Church is not a human institution, but rather divine. Born of the open side of Christ upon the cross and irrigated by his Blood, in its visible elements the Church should, therefore, seek the realization of the desires of its divine Founder in that which refers to its constitution, sanctity, mission and even its government.

At this time, when many question the form of government of the Church, one question seems essential to us, as essential as often forgotten: How did Jesus Christ conceive this Church that constitutes his own Mystical Body? In calling the Twelve and putting Saint Peter at their head, did he desire it to be hierarchical? Or rather, ‘horizontal’?

The answer is easily at hand for all in the numerous documents of the Magisterium, even when some seem to want to veil it…

Francis

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But I am the Bishop of Rome and the Pope of the Catholic world. I decided that the first thing to do was to appoint a group of eight cardinals to be my advisors. They are not courtiers but rather wise men who share my intentions. This is the beginning of a Church whose organization is not only vertical but also horizontal. When Cardinal Martini spoke about this and emphasized the role of the Councils and Synods, he knew only too well how long and difficult the road ahead in that direction would be. (Interview with Eugenio Scalfari, October 1, 2013 La Repubblica text)

Teachings of the Magisterium

Table of Contents

I – The Church is hierarchical by divine disposition
II – The supreme power in the Hierarchy pertains to the Roman Pontiff
III – Does collegiality annul the primacy?
IV – Is a ‘horizontal’ Church possible?


I – The Church is hierarchical by divine disposition


Catechism of Saint Pius X
-Jesus Christ Himself has established the hierarchy in the Church

John Paul II
-A great temptation of our times: to promote an ecclesial renewal that does not take into account fundamental elements of the Mystical Body of Christ
-The hierarchical structure pertains to the very nature of the Church

Pius XII
– The divine Redeemer has willed that the Church be supported on a holy hierarchical order that resembles the heavenly hierarchy

Catechism of Saint Pius X
-The power possessed by the Hierarchy comes solely from God


II – The supreme power in the Hierarchy pertains to the Roman Pontiff


Leo the Great
– Among the apostles it was given to one of them to be preeminent over the rest

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
– Basis of the Primacy of Peter among the Twelve

Clement VI
– No Apostle except Peter received fullest power over all Christians

Boniface I
-The care for the universal Church is the duty of the Apostle Peter

John Paul II
– Primacy of authority in the Apostolic college and in the Church

John XXIII
– Peter’s divinely-given authority

Pius XII
– Christ guides the Church through him who is His representative on earth

Vatican Council I (Ecumenical XX)
– Both clergy and faithful are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience

Council of Florence (Ecumenical XVII)
– The Roman Pontiff has the full power to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church

Vatican Council II (Ecumenical XXI)

-The Roman Pontiff enjoys supreme, full, immediate, and universal authority

John Paul II
-The Pope can exercise power directly without the permission or mediation of the bishops

Clement VI
-The Roman Pontiff has power over the complete and universal body of the Church militant

Pius VI
-The Roman Pontiff is superior to other bishops; those who deny it are condemned

John Paul II
-The successor of Peter should be faithful to the will of Christ in the exercise of authority


III – Does collegiality annul the primacy?


Leo XIII
– Nothing was conferred on the Apostles apart from Peter – and many things were received by Peter alone

Vatican Council II (Ecumenical XXI)
– The college of Bishops has no authority unless together with the Roman Pontiff
– Without the action of the Head, the Bishops are not able to act as a College

Pius XII
– Bishops receive the power of jurisdiction directly from the Supreme Pontiff

John Paul II
– Any Council can only be convoked by the Roman Pontiff, who must also preside over it and it

Leo XIII
– Without obedience to Peter, the Episcopal order would become a lawless and disorderly crowd

Vatican Council I (Ecumenical XX)
-The power of Bishops is asserted, confirmed, and vindicated by the supreme and universal shepherd


IV – Is a ‘horizontal’ Church possible?


Leo XIII
– The unity of the faith corresponds to the unity of government

John XXIII
– There is unity in the administration of the Catholic Church

Pius VI
– It is an error to believe that Christ wished His Church to be governed in the manner of a republic

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
– The Petrine ministry differs in its essence human governments

Leo XIII
– A primacy of honor could never secure unity or strength

Benedict XVI
– The Church is not a place of confusion and anarchy; it is an organism, with an articulated structure that is derived ultimately from God himself

Pius XII
– The Catholic Church will not be able to be ruled with ‘autonomy of government’

John Paul II
– The attempts to reduce the power of the Roman Pontiff are not in conformity with the mission that Christ conferred

Vatican Council I (Ecumenical XX)
– Denial of the form of government established by Christ the Lord: those who oppose the true primacy of jurisdiction of Peter
– Anathema: whoever diminishes the power of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff

Pius X
– The Modernist illusion of a horizontal Church


I – The Church is hierarchical by divine disposition


Catechism of Saint Pius X

Jesus Christ Himself has established the hierarchy in the Church

John Paul II

A great temptation of our times: to promote an ecclesial renewal that does not take into account fundamental elements of the Mystical Body of Christ
The hierarchical structure pertains to the very nature of the Church

Pius XII

The divine Redeemer has willed that the Church be supported on a holy hierarchical order that resembles the heavenly hierarchy

Catechism of Saint Pius X

The power possessed by the Hierarchy comes solely from God

II – The supreme power in the Hierarchy pertains to the Roman Pontiff


Leo the Great

Among the apostles it was given to one of them to be preeminent over the rest

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

Basis of the Primacy of Peter among the Twelve

Clement VI

No Apostle except Peter received fullest power over all Christians

Boniface I

The care for the universal Church is the duty of the Apostle Peter

John Paul II

Primacy of authority in the Apostolic college and in the Church

John XXIII

Peter’s divinely-given authority – He is put ahead of all those in charge of the Church

Pius XII

Christ guides the Church through him who is His representative on earth

Vatican Council I (Ecumenical XX)

Both clergy and faithful are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience

Council of Florence (Ecumenical XVII)

The Roman Pontiff has the full power to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church

Vatican Council II (Ecumenical XXI)

The Roman Pontiff enjoys supreme, full, immediate, and universal authority

John Paul II

The Pope can exercise directly power without the permission or mediation of the bishops

Clement VI

The Roman Pontiff has power over the complete and universal body of the Church militant

Pius VI

The Roman Pontiff is superior to other bishops; those who deny it are condemned

John Paul II

The successor of Peter should be faithful to the will of Christ in the exercise of authority

III – Does collegiality annul the primacy?


Leo XIII

Nothing was conferred on the Apostles apart from Peter – and many things were received by Peter alone

Vatican Council II

The college of bishops has no authority unless together with the Roman Pontiff
Without the action of the Head, the Bishops are not able to act as a College

Pius XII

Bishops receive the power of jurisdiction directly from the Supreme Pontiff

John Paul II

Any Council can only be convoked by the Roman Pontiff, who must also preside over it and it

Leo XIII

Without obedience to Peter, the Episcopal order would become a lawless and disorderly crowd

Vatican Council I  (Ecumenical XX)

The power of Bishops is asserted, confirmed, and vindicated by the supreme and universal shepherd

IV – Is a ‘horizontal’ Church possible?


Leo XIII

The unity of the faith corresponds to the unity of government

John XXIII

There is unity in the administration of the Catholic Church

Pius VI

It is an error to believe that Christ wished His Church to be governed in the manner of a republic

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

The Petrine ministry differs in its essence human governments

Leo XIII

A primacy of honor could never secure unity or strength

Benedict XVI

The Church is not a place of confusion and anarchy; it is an organism, with an articulated structure that is derived ultimately from God himself

Pius XII

The Catholic Church will not be able to be ruled with ‘autonomy of government’

John Paul II

The attempts to reduce the power of the Roman Pontiff are not in conformity with the mission that Christ conferred

Vatican Council I (Ecumenical XX)

”Denial
Anathema: whoever diminishes the power of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff

Pius X

The Modernist illusion of a horizontal Church

Note 1: The authors of this study are aware that the Press Office of the Vatican has denied the interpretations that some media sources have attributed to certain affirmations contained in the interviews of  Francis with Eugenio Scalfari. On the other hand, it is noteworthy that some of these sources are still published on the Vatican website (found by clicking on the links of the articles), and published within the weekly English edition of the L’Osservatore Romano, n. 41, 9 October 2013, lending an official air to their content, seemingly with the approval of Francis himself. In the midst of all the turmoil and confusion caused, we always feel that a presentation of the true doctrine should be made with clarity, together with such affirmations. We must not forget that the majority of the public read only the titles that the media publishes, and, as we know, the latter frequently manipulate the truth. Consequently, it appears that a mere declaration that the content of these interviews does not correspond with the textual words of  Francis, is simply not sufficient. As such, we publish this article with the intention of clarifying and orienting the faithful, who have always been the principle objective of this page, as we had expressed in our letter of presentation. In this way, each one can make a correct judgment, having beforehand attained knowledge of the truth.Eugenio_Scalfari_entrevista_al_papa_Francisco

Image of the interview posted on the Vatican Website on July 18, 2015

Note 2: Fr. Lombardi explained that it had been decided that the interview with Scalfari would be taken off the Vatican web page: ‘The information in the interview is reliable on a general level but not on the level of each individual point analyzed: this is why it was decided that the text should not be available for consultation on the Holy See website. Its removal is a final update on the nature of this text. Some mistakes were made regarding its value, which was questioned. The Secretariat of State took the decision’ (VaticanInsider, November 15, 2013).
However, ‘The Denzinger-Bergoglio_EN’ confirms that it is still posted on the Vatican webpage, just as our Spanish counterpart confirms the same for their language edition.


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5 thoughts on “72 – I decided that the first thing to do was to appoint a group of eight cardinals to be my advisors. This is the beginning of a Church whose organization is not only vertical but also horizontal

    • Of course they are Robert! After 500 years they have finally realised that Luther was right about divorce and a whole other bunch of things. So they are just bringing Luther’s insights into the Church.

  1. Great scoop! Lombardi says that they will take his interview off air, and they still keep it on the Vatican page. So who are they fooling?

    • This guy is worse than a heretic. He does not even have the guts to stand up to his heresies clearly. They always do the same thing – first his statements, then Lombardi’s interpretation. When all the dust settles, they do the same thing all over again. Cowardly heresy pushing!

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